Meet Larry, the 3dsmax layer manager.

Why build a new layer manager?

3d Studio Max has had a layer manager for a long, long time. It works very well for what it is, however, as scenes over the years have grown large and complex the layer manager has not evolved to over come this. Scenes these days have more levels of detail and with that detail has come a need for better scene management. When deciding to create a new layer manager there were a couple of things that I wanted to do:

  • Keep the existing layer manager, this seems strange but I like solutions to problems that build in redundancy. If my new layer manager decided to stop working in the middle of production I wanted to be able to revert back to the old one. This meant anything new I created would either need to be built on top of or use the existing layer manager as its core.
  • The layer manager needed to be more granular. Everyone has wanted layer manager that has had sub-layers. I wanted to be able to have sub-layers of any depth.
  • Sub-Layers would inherit the properties of there parents.
  • Make it easy to build new tools and features into the new layer manager. If I was going to build a layer manager I wanted to be able to extend it easily.
  • Standardise our layers and workflow. I wanted to create a workflow were our files and how we worked in them was standardised so that anyone in the studio could open someones file and be able to hit the ground running.
With those goals in mind I got to work. I chose to write the layer manager with Max Script and .Net instead of hitting the SDK. The upside to working with Max Script and .Net is that I could write the tools very fast and after 2 days I had the first version out the door for the artists to try. Since then it has grown and been updated as it has needed to be. There were originally a flurry of bug fixes that were required but after that we set about creating new features as production called for it. It has been about a year since I first wrote it and now it is a solid production tool after cutting its teeth on small jobs and then proving itself on larger jobs it has become an integral part of our workflow.

Custom Features of the layer manager

There are many custom features I have written into the layer manager some of them are below:

  • Isolate Layer. Similar to Max’s isolate feature when you right click on a layer and select isolate all other layers are hidden and the selected layer is turned on. The next time you right click on the layer you have the option to de-isolate it. This has proved very handy when yo need to do some quick modeling fixes in large scenes.
  • Rename Layers and Children. I wanted an easy way to rename layers and there children right in the dialog. This proved a little trickier than I first thought it would, however, you can now easily rename layers just by double clicking on them and typing.
  • Node View. An external view for handling nodes.
  • Export Layer. Saves the selected tree of layers as an X-Ref.
  • Layer Sets. For saving the layer states of layers. For instance you can save a state for a camera with all of the relevant layers turned on. This is great for large scenes that have multiple cameras.

A new Layer Manager

Below are some screen shots of the new layer manager. As you can see the interface is very simple and faithful to the original layer manager, this lets new artists in the studio get up to speed with the tool right away.


LayerManager v2.0

LayerManager v2.0

Standard Layer Manager

A screen capture of the standard layer manager. Notice the layer names are the same as in Larry's with each level being deliminated by a '.'.

Most recently we used the tool on the Renovators with great success. Using it in conjunction with a few other tools we were able to achieve the impossible delivering animation for 6 houses in 6 days. You can see some of the work here.


What Next?

Moving forward there are a couple of things that I am currently working:

  • Increased Performance. I want to increase the performance of the tool so that I can add support of scene objects in the tree view. So far I have re-written the control and I am pleased to say the performance is much faster. Not to say the current version is slow but there is a difference between adding 200 or so layers and 5000 objects.
  • Tighter integration with X-Refs and containers. I want to make splitting up max files to be completely seamless and transparent. This will be a huge benefit on large projects with more than one artist working on it. Hopefully the layer manager will become a bug for scene management.
  • Create an connection between render passes and layers. It would be great to expand the layer sets functionality to be able to create different render passes.
Overall I am hoping the layer manager to grown into more of a scene manager which will allow artists to manage there scenes as quickly as possible all in one place.
A silver lining?
The biggest upside of writing this tool has been the change in artist behavior. Our scenes are now much more standardised enabling anyone to pick up a project and continue to work on it. Changing a team of artist habits is difficult at best some times it takes a good tool to serve as the catalyst for change. I happy to say that new layer manager has succeeded in this respect.


17 Responses to “Meet Larry, the 3dsmax layer manager.”
  1. Jonny says:

    This is fantastic! Will you be making this available to the public?

  2. Dave says:

    I am currently working on a new version that I will be making available for everyone.


  3. Jonny says:

    Awesome! You rock my socks Dave! :)

  4. George says:

    hello Dave,
    I have seen this script. i think it’s going to make my life a lot easier.
    could you tell me when you are going to make a version available ? even if it is not free i am realy interested.

  5. Dave says:

    I am hoping to have a free version out shortly. I am trying to incorporate nodes into it as well. At this stage it looks like it will only work in 2012 with the subscription update as I am using the new .Net SDK.

    There only really a few more things I have to do before it is complete.


  6. Aleks says:

    looking forward to this dave!
    Add me to your email list if there is such a thing.


    – Aleks

  7. Raymarcher says:

    Is it better then outliner?

  8. George says:

    Hi Dave,
    any luck for us maybe? can you give us some good news with the public version?

  9. Dave says:

    VERY VERY SOON! The new version has been re-written with the SDK to improve performance.


  10. Tracy says:

    Is this out yet? I would really like to try it out. Thanks!

  11. Alain says:

    Hi Dave Master!

    I’m very interested by this script too!
    These are the kind of things that Autodesk should have done a long time ago!

    Keep up the good work, mate!

  12. Dave says:

    You are 100% right on the things Autodesk should do. I will send you a build of the latest layer manger and you can try it out.


  13. George A. says:

    Hi Dave,
    I am so curious if you have a version of this script yet…
    i can see that more and more i need a good layer manager, because scenes are getting more and more complex every day.
    So please keep me inform when you have something for us.
    Best regards,
    George. A

  14. will says:

    I will be pretty sure We’ve read this identical sort of statement anywhere else, it needs to be gathering popularity with the public.

  15. Mike says:

    Your script looks brilliant and just what I could really do with!
    Any chance I could get a copy of it?
    Thanks very much!

  16. 3DSul says:

    Whats up Dave? Some news about this script? I keep using 2012 x64 Max Version.. and your idea its amazing… did you published it or are selling? i want this.. :D

  17. Hankash says:

    Good day,

    I suppose you quit on this script, or should we keep on following this page for a nice hot publish of this script soon.

    Good luck, hope to see this script alive and kicking.


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